A Conversation with Gadi Algazi
From: Radio Netherlands Worldwide
Series: RN Focus on Torn Lives - Stories from the Holy Land
Length: 29:29
By profession, Professor Algazi is a historian at Tel Aviv University. By calling, he is a humanist and a passionate human rights advocate. At the age of 12, when his friends would have been engrossed in comic books, he had already decided that he would not do his compulsory military service in the Occupied Territories – Palestinian land seized by Israel in the 1967 war. At the age of 18 he became the first Israeli to publicly refuse to comply with military orders to serve there. He continues to suffer the wrath of the establishment he has taken on: he has been court-martialled, and over the years, has served seven prison sentences.
In 2000, after the 2nd Palestinian uprising began, Professor Algazi witnessed a crumbling of the anti-war and anti-occupation movement in Israel. In response, he and a small band of dedicated activists formed the grassroots movement Living Together. One of their tasks is to try to counter what he calls the “creeping silent transfer” – that is, the government’s attempt to expel the Palestinians without overt force. Villages simply become “unrecognized” by the government. They have full property rights, but no water, schooling, electricity and so forth. Eventually a village that is not recognized as existing, in fact ceases to exist.
Professor Algazi discusses the implications of Israel's security barrier. According to him, the Wall will not only encircle Palestinian communities, it will also separate them from their land, water resources and each other. Even if the government tries at some future stage to change its current policy, he says, some effects may be irreversible.
He in no way condones the horrifying trend of suicide bombers but he understands the despair that drives them to such acts. His final words may well turn out to be the calling of Cassandra: “desperate people don’t become nicer. If you rob people of a political future, what remains is very little.”
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Piece Description
By profession, Professor Algazi is a historian at Tel Aviv University. By calling, he is a humanist and a passionate human rights advocate. At the age of 12, when his friends would have been engrossed in comic books, he had already decided that he would not do his compulsory military service in the Occupied Territories – Palestinian land seized by Israel in the 1967 war. At the age of 18 he became the first Israeli to publicly refuse to comply with military orders to serve there. He continues to suffer the wrath of the establishment he has taken on: he has been court-martialled, and over the years, has served seven prison sentences. In 2000, after the 2nd Palestinian uprising began, Professor Algazi witnessed a crumbling of the anti-war and anti-occupation movement in Israel. In response, he and a small band of dedicated activists formed the grassroots movement Living Together. One of their tasks is to try to counter what he calls the “creeping silent transfer” – that is, the government’s attempt to expel the Palestinians without overt force. Villages simply become “unrecognized” by the government. They have full property rights, but no water, schooling, electricity and so forth. Eventually a village that is not recognized as existing, in fact ceases to exist. Professor Algazi discusses the implications of Israel's security barrier. According to him, the Wall will not only encircle Palestinian communities, it will also separate them from their land, water resources and each other. Even if the government tries at some future stage to change its current policy, he says, some effects may be irreversible. He in no way condones the horrifying trend of suicide bombers but he understands the despair that drives them to such acts. His final words may well turn out to be the calling of Cassandra: “desperate people don’t become nicer. If you rob people of a political future, what remains is very little.”
Transcript
Radio Netherlands presents “Vox Humana”. I’m Dheera Sujan. In this edition of the programme we present the highlights of a fascinating and insightful conversation with Gadi Algazi, professor of history at Tel Aviv University. Professor Algazi is also a tireless and eloquent advocate of peace in his country. He’s a man with a calling. At the age of 12, he had already decided that he would refuse the inevitable military service in the occupied territories that would eventually be expected of him. And at 18, when he became the first Israeli to publicly refuse to serve there, he was used as an example by the establishment. For years, every time he was called up for service and refused, he was imprisoned. Professor Algazi talked with Radio Netherlands’ Eric Beauchemin about the increasingly complex and tragic tapestry of his troubled land and why recent events led him to form the movement “Li...
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Danny Kohn
Posted on September 18, 2004 at 01:30 PM | Permalink
Review of RN Documentary: A Conversation with Gadi Algazi
Interview of an extreem Israeli leftist professor. The interview itself is partial in so far that the interviewer agrees with the interviewed about his way of looking at the conflict.
The interviewer more than has the interviewer make his point. His questions are in agreement with the interviewed and one gets a sense that here are two leftists talking about a an issue where there is mutual agreement rather than an neutral interview where all sides are illuminated.
The interview adds nothing new. This vanilla interview is a repretition of countless interviews with Israeli leftist given a lot of media time to make their very partial case and therefore making the conflict incomprehensive to the ordinary listener.